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Lightning Network Will Likely Fail Due To Several Possible Reasons

ECONOMIC CASE IS ABSENT FOR MANY TRANSACTIONS
The median Bitcoin (BTC) fee is $14.41 currently. This has gone parabolic in the past few days. So, let’s use a number before this parabolic rise, which was $3.80. Using this number, opening and closing a Lightning Network (LN) channel means that you will pay $7.60 in fees. Most likely, the fee will be much higher for two reasons:
  1. BTC fees have been trending higher all year and will be higher by the time LN is ready
  2. When you are in the shoe store or restaurant, you will likely pay a higher fee so that you are not waiting there for one or more hours for confirmation.
Let’s say hypothetically that Visa or Paypal charges $1 per transaction. This means that Alice and Carol would need to do 8 or more LN transactions, otherwise it would be cheaper to use Visa or Paypal.
But it gets worse. Visa doesn’t charge the customer. To you, Visa and Cash are free. You would have no economic incentive to use BTC and LN.
Also, Visa does not charge $1 per transaction. They charge 3%, which is 60 cents on a $20 widget. Let’s say that merchants discount their widgets by 60 cents for non-Visa purchases, to pass the savings onto the customer. Nevertheless, no one is going to use BTC and LN to buy the widget unless 2 things happen:
  1. they buy more than 13 widgets from the same store ($7.60 divided by 60 cents)
  2. they know ahead of time that they will do this with that same store
This means that if you’re traveling, or want to tip content producers on the internet, you will likely not use BTC and LN. If you and your spouse want to try out a new restaurant, you will not use BTC and LN. If you buy shoes, you will not use BTC and LN.
ROAD BLOCKS FROM INSUFFICIENT FUNDS
Some argue that you do not need to open a channel to everyone, if there’s a route to that merchant. This article explains that if LN is a like a distributed mesh network, then another problem exists:
"third party needs to possess the necessary capital to process the transaction. If Alice and Bob do not have an open channel, and Alice wants to send Bob .5 BTC, they'll both need to be connected to a third party (or a series of 3rd parties). Say if Charles (the third party) only possesses .4 BTC in his respective payment channels with the other users, the transaction will not be able to go through that route. The longer the route, the more likely that a third party does not possess the requisite amount of BTC, thereby making it a useless connection.”
CENTRALIZATION
According to this visualization of LN on testnet, LN will be centralized around major hubs. It might be even more centralized than this visualization if the following are true:
  1. Users will want to connect to large hubs to minimize the number of times they need to open/close channels, which incur fees
  2. LN’s security and usability relies on 100% uptime of relaying parties
  3. Only large hubs with a lot of liquidity will be able to make money
  4. Hubs or intermediary nodes will need to be licensed as money transmitters, centralizing LN to exchanges and banks as large hubs
What will the impact be on censorship-resistance, trust-less and permission-less?
NEED TO BE LICENSED AS MONEY TRANSMITTER
Advocates for LN seem to talk a lot about the technology, but ignore the legalities.
FinCEN defines money transmitters. LN hubs and intermediary nodes seem to satisfy this definition.
Application of FinCEN's Regulations to Persons Administering, Exchanging, or Using Virtual Currencies
“…applicability of the regulations … to persons creating, obtaining, distributing, exchanging, accepting, or transmitting virtual currencies.”
“…an administrator or exchanger is an MSB under FinCEN's regulations, specifically, a money transmitter…”
"An administrator or exchanger that (1) accepts and transmits a convertible virtual currency or (2) buys or sells convertible virtual currency for any reason is a money transmitter under FinCEN's regulations…”
"FinCEN's regulations define the term "money transmitter" as a person that provides money transmission services, or any other person engaged in the transfer of funds. The term "money transmission services" means "the acceptance of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency from one person and the transmission of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency to another location or person by any means.””
"The definition of a money transmitter does not differentiate between real currencies and convertible virtual currencies.”
FinCEN’s regulations for IVTS:
"An “informal value transfer system” refers to any system, mechanism, or network of people that receives money for the purpose of making the funds or an equivalent value payable to a third party in another geographic location, whether or not in the same form.”
“…IVTS… must comply with all BSA registration, recordkeeping, reporting and AML program requirements.
“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are transferred on behalf of the public by any and all means including, but not limited to, transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…regulations require all money transmitting businesses…to register with FinCEN."
Mike Caldwell used to accept and mail bitcoins. Customers sent him bitcoins and he mailed physical bitcoins back or to a designated recipient. There is no exchange from one type of currency to another. FinCEN told him that he needed to be licensed as money transmitter, after which Caldwell stopped mailing out bitcoins.
ARGUMENTS AGAINST NEED FOR LICENSING
Some have argued that LN does not transfer BTC until the channel is closed on the blockchain. This is not a defence, since channels will close on the blockchain.
Some have argued that LN nodes do not take ownership of funds. Is this really true? Is this argument based on a technicality or hoping for a loophole? It seems intuitive that a good prosecutor can easily defeat this argument. Even if this loophole exists, can we count on the government to never close this loophole?
So, will LN hubs and intermediary nodes need to be licensed as money transmitters? If so, then Bob, who is the intermediary between Alice and Carol, will need a license. But Bob won’t have the money nor qualifications. Money transmitters need to pay $25,000 to $1 million, maintain capital levels and are subject to KYC/AML regulations1. In which case, LN will have mainly large hubs, run by financial firms, such as banks and exchanges.
Will the banks want this? Likely. Will they lobby the government to get it? Likely.
Some may be wondering about miners. FinCEN has declared that miners are not money transmitters:
https://coincenter.org/entry/aml-kyc-tokens :
"Subsequent administrative rulings clarified several remaining ambiguities: miners are not money transmitters…"
FinCEN Declares Bitcoin Miners, Investors Aren't Money Transmitters
Some argue that LN nodes will go through Tor and be anonymous. For this to work, will all of the nodes connecting to it, need to run Tor? If so, then how likely will this happen and will all of these people need to run Tor on every device (laptop, phone and tablet)? Furthermore, everyone of these people will be need to be sufficiently tech savvy to download, install and set up Tor. Will the common person be able to do this? Also, will law-abiding nodes, such as retailers or banks, risk their own livelihood by connecting to an illegal node? What is the likelihood of this?
Some argue that unlicensed LN hubs can run in foreign countries. Not true. According to FinCEN: "“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are…transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…” Also, foreign companies are not immune from the laws of other countries which have extradition agreements. The U.S. government has sued European banks over the LIBOR scandal. The U.S. government has charged foreign banks for money laundering and two of those banks pleaded guilty. Furthermore, most countries have similar laws. It is no coincidence that European exchanges comply with KYC/AML.
Will licensed, regulated LN hubs connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. Will Amazon or eBay connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. If you want to buy from Amazon, you’ll likely need to register yourself at a licensed, regulated LN hub, which means you’ll need to provide your identification photo.
Say goodbye to a censorship-resistant, trust-less and permission-less coin.
For a preview of what LN will probably look like, look at Coinbase or other large exchanges. It’s a centralized, regulated and censored hub. Coinbase allows users to send to each other off-chain. Coinbase provides user data to the IRS and disallows users from certain countries to sell BTC. You need to trust that no rogue employee in the exchange will steal your funds, or that a bank will not confiscate your funds as banks did in Cyprus. What if the government provides a list of users, who are late with their tax returns, to Coinbase and tells Coinbase to block those users from making transactions? You need Coinbase’s permission.
This would be the antithesis of why Satoshi created Bitcoin.
NEED TO REPORT TO IRS
The IRS has a definition for “third party settlement organization” and these need to report transactions to the IRS.
Though we do not know for sure yet, it can be argued that LN hubs satisfies this definition. If this is the case, who will be willing to be LN hubs, other than banks and exchanges?
To read about the discussion, go to:
Lightning Hubs Will Need To Report To IRS
COMPLEXITY
All cryptocurrencies are complicated for the common person. You may be tech savvy enough to find a secure wallet and use cryptocurrencies, but the masses are not as tech savvy as you.
LN adds a very complicated and convoluted layer to cryptocurrencies. It is bound to have bugs for years to come and it’s complicated to use. This article provides a good explanation of the complexity. Just from the screenshot of the app, the user now needs to learn additional terms and commands:
“On Chain”
“In Channels”
“In Limbo”
“Your Channel”
“Create Channel”
“CID”
“OPENING”
“PENDING-OPEN”
“Available to Receive”
“PENDING-FORCE-CLOSE”
There are also other things to learn, such as how funds need to be allocated to channels and time locks. Compare this to using your current wallet.
Recently, LN became even more complicated and convoluted. It needs a 3rd layer as well:
Scaling Bitcoin Might Require A Whole 'Nother Layer
How many additional steps does a user need to learn?
ALL COINS PLANNING OFF-CHAIN SCALING ARE AT RISK
Bitcoin Segwit, Litecoin, Vertcoin and possibly others (including Bitcoin Cash) are planning to implement LN or layer 2 scaling. Ethereum is planning to use Raiden Network, which is very similar to LN. If the above is true about LN, then the scaling roadmap for these coins is questionable at best, nullified at worst.
BLOCKSTREAM'S GAME PLAN IS ON TRACK
Blockstream employs several of the lead Bitcoin Core developers. Blockstream has said repeatedly that they want high fees. Quotes and source links can be found here.
Why is Blockstream so adamant on small blocks, high fees and off-chain scaling?
Small blocks, high fees and slow confirmations create demand for off-chain solutions, such as Liquid. Blockstream sells Liquid to exchanges to move Bitcoin quickly on a side-chain. LN will create liquidity hubs, such as exchanges, which will generate traffic and fees for exchanges. With this, exchanges will have a higher need for Liquid. This will be the main way that Blockstream will generate revenue for its investors, who invested $76 million. Otherwise, they can go bankrupt and die.
One of Blockstream’s investors/owners is AXA. AXA’s CEO and Chairman until 2016 was also the Chairman of Bilderberg Group. The Bilderberg Group is run by bankers and politicians (former prime ministers and nation leaders). According to GlobalResearch, Bilderberg Group wants “a One World Government (World Company) with a single, global marketplace…and financially regulated by one ‘World (Central) Bank’ using one global currency.” LN helps Bilderberg Group get one step closer to its goal.
Luke-Jr is one of the lead BTC developers in Core/Blockstream. Regulation of BTC is in-line with his beliefs. He is a big believer in the government, as he believes that the government should tax you and the “State has authority from God”. In fact, he has other radical beliefs as well:
So, having only large, regulated LN hubs is not a failure for Blockstream/Bilderberg. It’s a success. The title of this article should be changed to: "Lightning Will Fail Or Succeed, Depending On Whether You Are Satoshi Or Blockstream/Bilderberg".
SIGNIFICANT ADVANCEMENTS WITH ON-CHAIN SCALING
Meanwhile, some coins such as Ethereum and Bitcoin Cash are pushing ahead with on-chain scaling. Both are looking at Sharding.
Visa handles 2,000 transactions per second on average. Blockstream said that on-chain scaling will not work. The development teams for Bitcoin Cash have shown significant on-chain scaling:
1 GB block running on testnet demonstrates over 10,000 transactions per second:
"we are not going from 1MB to 1GB tomorrow — The purpose of going so high is to prove that it can be done — no second layer is necessary”
"Preliminary Findings Demonstrate Over 10,000 Transactions Per Second"
"Gigablock testnet initiative will likely be implemented first on Bitcoin Cash”
Peter Rizun, Andrew Stone -- 1 GB Block Tests -- Scaling Bitcoin Stanford At 13:55 in this video, Rizun said that he thinks that Visa level can be achieved with a 4-core/16GB machine with better implementations (modifying the code to take advantage of parallelization.)
Bitcoin Cash plans to fix malleability and enable layer 2 solutions:
The Future of “Bitcoin Cash:” An Interview with Bitcoin ABC lead developer Amaury Séchet:
"fixing malleability and enabling Layer 2 solutions will happen”
However, it is questionable if layer 2 will work or is needed.
GOING FORWARD
The four year scaling debate and in-fighting is what caused small blockers (Blockstream) to fork Bitcoin by adding Segwit and big blockers to fork Bitcoin into Bitcoin Cash. Read:
Bitcoin Divorce - Bitcoin [Legacy] vs Bitcoin Cash Explained
It will be interesting to see how they scale going forward.
Scaling will be instrumental in getting network effect and to be widely adopted as a currency. Whichever Coin Has The Most Network Effect Will Take All (Or Most) (BTC has little network effect, and it's shrinking.)
The ability to scale will be key to the long term success of any coin.
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Lightning Network Will Likely Fail Due To Several Possible Reasons

ECONOMIC CASE IS ABSENT FOR MANY TRANSACTIONS
The median Bitcoin (BTC) fee is $14.41 currently. This has gone parabolic in the past few days. So, let’s use a number before this parabolic rise, which was $3.80. Using this number, opening and closing a Lightning Network (LN) channel means that you will pay $7.60 in fees. Most likely, the fee will be much higher for two reasons:
  1. BTC fees have been trending higher all year and will be higher by the time LN is ready
  2. When you are in the shoe store or restaurant, you will likely pay a higher fee so that you are not waiting there for one or more hours for confirmation.
Let’s say hypothetically that Visa or Paypal charges $1 per transaction. This means that Alice and Carol would need to do 8 or more LN transactions, otherwise it would be cheaper to use Visa or Paypal.
But it gets worse. Visa doesn’t charge the customer. To you, Visa and Cash are free. You would have no economic incentive to use BTC and LN.
Also, Visa does not charge $1 per transaction. They charge 3%, which is 60 cents on a $20 widget. Let’s say that merchants discount their widgets by 60 cents for non-Visa purchases, to pass the savings onto the customer. Nevertheless, no one is going to use BTC and LN to buy the widget unless 2 things happen:
  1. they buy more than 13 widgets from the same store ($7.60 divided by 60 cents)
  2. they know ahead of time that they will do this with that same store
This means that if you’re traveling, or want to tip content producers on the internet, you will likely not use BTC and LN. If you and your spouse want to try out a new restaurant, you will not use BTC and LN. If you buy shoes, you will not use BTC and LN.
ROAD BLOCKS FROM INSUFFICIENT FUNDS
Some argue that you do not need to open a channel to everyone, if there’s a route to that merchant. This article explains that if LN is like a distributed mesh network, then another problem exists:
"third party needs to possess the necessary capital to process the transaction. If Alice and Bob do not have an open channel, and Alice wants to send Bob .5 BTC, they'll both need to be connected to a third party (or a series of 3rd parties). Say if Charles (the third party) only possesses .4 BTC in his respective payment channels with the other users, the transaction will not be able to go through that route. The longer the route, the more likely that a third party does not possess the requisite amount of BTC, thereby making it a useless connection.”
CENTRALIZATION
According to this visualization of LN on testnet, LN will be centralized around major hubs. It might be even more centralized than this visualization if the following are true:
  1. Users will want to connect to large hubs to minimize the number of times they need to open/close channels, which incur fees
  2. LN’s security and usability relies on 100% uptime of relaying parties
  3. Only large hubs with a lot of liquidity will be able to make money
  4. Hubs or intermediary nodes will need to be licensed as money transmitters, centralizing LN to exchanges and banks as large hubs
What will the impact be on censorship-resistance, trust-less and permission-less?
NEED TO BE LICENSED AS MONEY TRANSMITTER
Advocates for LN seem to talk a lot about the technology, but ignore the legalities.
FinCEN defines money transmitters. LN hubs and intermediary nodes seem to satisfy this definition.
Application of FinCEN's Regulations to Persons Administering, Exchanging, or Using Virtual Currencies
“…applicability of the regulations … to persons creating, obtaining, distributing, exchanging, accepting, or transmitting virtual currencies.”
“…an administrator or exchanger is an MSB under FinCEN's regulations, specifically, a money transmitter…”
"An administrator or exchanger that (1) accepts and transmits a convertible virtual currency or (2) buys or sells convertible virtual currency for any reason is a money transmitter under FinCEN's regulations…”
"FinCEN's regulations define the term "money transmitter" as a person that provides money transmission services, or any other person engaged in the transfer of funds. The term "money transmission services" means "the acceptance of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency from one person and the transmission of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency to another location or person by any means.””
"The definition of a money transmitter does not differentiate between real currencies and convertible virtual currencies.”
FinCEN’s regulations for IVTS:
"An “informal value transfer system” refers to any system, mechanism, or network of people that receives money for the purpose of making the funds or an equivalent value payable to a third party in another geographic location, whether or not in the same form.”
“…IVTS… must comply with all BSA registration, recordkeeping, reporting and AML program requirements.
“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are transferred on behalf of the public by any and all means including, but not limited to, transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…regulations require all money transmitting businesses…to register with FinCEN."
Mike Caldwell used to accept and mail bitcoins. Customers sent him bitcoins and he mailed physical bitcoins back or to a designated recipient. There is no exchange from one type of currency to another. FinCEN told him that he needed to be licensed as money transmitter, after which Caldwell stopped mailing out bitcoins.
ARGUMENTS AGAINST NEED FOR LICENSING
Some have argued that LN does not transfer BTC until the channel is closed on the blockchain. This is not a defence, since channels will close on the blockchain.
Some have argued that LN nodes do not take ownership of funds. Is this really true? Is this argument based on a technicality or hoping for a loophole? It seems intuitive that a good prosecutor can easily defeat this argument. Even if this loophole exists, can we count on the government to never close this loophole?
So, will LN hubs and intermediary nodes need to be licensed as money transmitters? If so, then Bob, who is the intermediary between Alice and Carol, will need a license. But Bob won’t have the money nor qualifications. Money transmitters need to pay $25,000 to $1 million, maintain capital levels and are subject to KYC/AML regulations1. In which case, LN will have mainly large hubs, run by financial firms, such as banks and exchanges.
Will the banks want this? Likely. Will they lobby the government to get it? Likely.
Some may be wondering about miners. FinCEN has declared that miners are not money transmitters:
https://coincenter.org/entry/aml-kyc-tokens :
"Subsequent administrative rulings clarified several remaining ambiguities: miners are not money transmitters…"
FinCEN Declares Bitcoin Miners, Investors Aren't Money Transmitters
Some argue that LN nodes will go through Tor and be anonymous. For this to work, will all of the nodes connecting to it, need to run Tor? If so, then how likely will this happen and will all of these people need to run Tor on every device (laptop, phone and tablet)? Furthermore, everyone of these people will be need to be sufficiently tech savvy to download, install and set up Tor. Will the common person be able to do this? Also, will law-abiding nodes, such as retailers or banks, risk their own livelihood by connecting to an illegal node? What is the likelihood of this?
Some argue that unlicensed LN hubs can run in foreign countries. Not true. According to FinCEN: "“Money transmitting” occurs when funds are…transfers within the United States or to locations abroad…” Also, foreign companies are not immune from the laws of other countries which have extradition agreements. The U.S. government has sued European banks over the LIBOR scandal. The U.S. government has charged foreign banks for money laundering and two of those banks pleaded guilty. Furthermore, most countries have similar laws. It is no coincidence that European exchanges comply with KYC/AML.
Will licensed, regulated LN hubs connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. Will Amazon or eBay connect to LN nodes behind Tor or in foreign countries? Unlikely. If you want to buy from Amazon, you’ll likely need to register yourself at a licensed, regulated LN hub, which means you’ll need to provide your identification photo.
Say goodbye to a censorship-resistant, trust-less and permission-less coin.
For a preview of what LN will probably look like, look at Coinbase or other large exchanges. It’s a centralized, regulated and censored hub. Coinbase allows users to send to each other off-chain. Coinbase provides user data to the IRS and disallows users from certain countries to sell BTC. You need to trust that no rogue employee in the exchange will steal your funds, or that a bank will not confiscate your funds as banks did in Cyprus. What if the government provides a list of users, who are late with their tax returns, to Coinbase and tells Coinbase to block those users from making transactions? You need Coinbase’s permission.
This would be the antithesis of why Satoshi created Bitcoin.
NEED TO REPORT TO IRS
The IRS has a definition for “third party settlement organization” and these need to report transactions to the IRS.
Though we do not know for sure yet, it can be argued that LN hubs satisfies this definition. If this is the case, who will be willing to be LN hubs, other than banks and exchanges?
To read about the discussion, go to:
Lightning Hubs Will Need To Report To IRS
COMPLEXITY
All cryptocurrencies are complicated for the common person. You may be tech savvy enough to find a secure wallet and use cryptocurrencies, but the masses are not as tech savvy as you.
LN adds a very complicated and convoluted layer to cryptocurrencies. It is bound to have bugs for years to come and it’s complicated to use. This article provides a good explanation of the complexity. Just from the screenshot of the app, the user now needs to learn additional terms and commands:
“On Chain”
“In Channels”
“In Limbo”
“Your Channel”
“Create Channel”
“CID”
“OPENING”
“PENDING-OPEN”
“Available to Receive”
“PENDING-FORCE-CLOSE”
There are also other things to learn, such as how funds need to be allocated to channels and time locks. Compare this to using your current wallet.
Recently, LN became even more complicated and convoluted. It needs a 3rd layer as well:
Scaling Bitcoin Might Require A Whole 'Nother Layer
How many additional steps does a user need to learn?
ALL COINS PLANNING OFF-CHAIN SCALING ARE AT RISK
Bitcoin Segwit, Litecoin, Vertcoin and possibly others (including Bitcoin Cash) are planning to implement LN or layer 2 scaling. Ethereum is planning to use Raiden Network, which is very similar to LN. If the above is true about LN, then the scaling roadmap for these coins is questionable at best, nullified at worst.
BLOCKSTREAM'S GAME PLAN IS ON TRACK
Blockstream employs several of the lead Bitcoin Core developers. Blockstream has said repeatedly that they want high fees. Quotes and source links can be found here.
Why is Blockstream so adamant on small blocks, high fees and off-chain scaling?
Small blocks, high fees and slow confirmations create demand for off-chain solutions, such as Liquid. Blockstream sells Liquid to exchanges to move Bitcoin quickly on a side-chain. LN will create liquidity hubs, such as exchanges, which will generate traffic and fees for exchanges. With this, exchanges will have a higher need for Liquid. This will be the main way that Blockstream will generate revenue for its investors, who invested $76 million. Otherwise, they can go bankrupt and die.
One of Blockstream’s investors/owners is AXA. AXA’s CEO and Chairman until 2016 was also the Chairman of Bilderberg Group. The Bilderberg Group is run by bankers and politicians (former prime ministers and nation leaders). According to GlobalResearch, Bilderberg Group wants “a One World Government (World Company) with a single, global marketplace…and financially regulated by one ‘World (Central) Bank’ using one global currency.” LN helps Bilderberg Group get one step closer to its goal.
Luke-Jr is one of the lead BTC developers in Core/Blockstream. Regulation of BTC is in-line with his beliefs. He is a big believer in the government, as he believes that the government should tax you and the “State has authority from God”. In fact, he has other radical beliefs as well:
So, having only large, regulated LN hubs is not a failure for Blockstream/Bilderberg. It’s a success. The title of this article should be changed to: "Lightning Will Fail Or Succeed, Depending On Whether You Are Satoshi Or Blockstream/Bilderberg".
SIGNIFICANT ADVANCEMENTS WITH ON-CHAIN SCALING
Meanwhile, some coins such as Ethereum and Bitcoin Cash are pushing ahead with on-chain scaling. Both are looking at Sharding.
Visa handles 2,000 transactions per second on average. Blockstream said that on-chain scaling will not work. The development teams for Bitcoin Cash have shown significant on-chain scaling:
1 GB block running on testnet demonstrates over 10,000 transactions per second:
"we are not going from 1MB to 1GB tomorrow — The purpose of going so high is to prove that it can be done — no second layer is necessary”
"Preliminary Findings Demonstrate Over 10,000 Transactions Per Second"
"Gigablock testnet initiative will likely be implemented first on Bitcoin Cash”
Peter Rizun, Andrew Stone -- 1 GB Block Tests -- Scaling Bitcoin Stanford At 13:55 in this video, Rizun said that he thinks that Visa level can be achieved with a 4-core/16GB machine with better implementations (modifying the code to take advantage of parallelization.)
Bitcoin Cash plans to fix malleability and enable layer 2 solutions:
The Future of “Bitcoin Cash:” An Interview with Bitcoin ABC lead developer Amaury Séchet:
"fixing malleability and enabling Layer 2 solutions will happen”
However, it is questionable if layer 2 will work or is needed.
GOING FORWARD
The four year scaling debate and in-fighting is what caused small blockers (Blockstream) to fork Bitcoin by adding Segwit and big blockers to fork Bitcoin into Bitcoin Cash. Read:
Bitcoin Divorce - Bitcoin [Legacy] vs Bitcoin Cash Explained
It will be interesting to see how they scale going forward.
Scaling will be instrumental in getting network effect and to be widely adopted as a currency. Whichever Coin Has The Most Network Effect Will Take All (Or Most) (BTC has little network effect, and it's shrinking.)
The ability to scale will be key to the long term success of any coin.
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My father's explanation to my grandfather

I gave my grandfather a 100 BTC Casascius bar for Christmas back when BTC was around $10. It's worth a bit more now. Needless to say, my grandfather checks the ticker several times a day, and keeps up to date on Bitcoin news. He thinks it's really "nifty."
He was concerned about the crazy volatility over the past 48 hours. My father sent him the following response, which I wanted to share...
Here's an analogy. Bitcoin is often compared to the wild west, and it's a good comparison. Think about the wild west. You had all kinds of craziness going on. Millions of people heading westward. Indian tribes massacring each other and the settlers. Cavalry sweeping in and rounding up the Indians. Bad guys shooting it out in bank robberies. Cattleman at war with sheepherders. The transcontinental railway changing the paradigm constantly. And it goes crazy all over again when gold is discovered. And every few days there's a buffalo stampede that wipes out everything. The only thing you could count on was that civilization kept expanding, in fits and starts, but inexorably. Same thing here.
The beauty and magic of bitcoin is precisely that it is so un-regulated and so free-market. That's why the market loves bitcoin. It's the wild west! It's freedom! And, yes, it's crazy. But in a good way.
Don't like the West? Don't like the craziness? Stay in Boston. :)
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It's my cake day! I'm ready to celebrate by sharing with some new bitcoiners!

Giveaway Status: Tips have been distributed. I'm out! Sorry!
I'm interested in giving some bitcoin to redditors who have never used it before...
There are 4 ways to win cakeday prizes: The giveaway has concluded.
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Caveats
  1. I'm leaving the house to go sledding. I won't be responding for an hour or two. Please don't flip out if I don't tip immediately.
  2. I have .21 BTC (about $50 USD) to tip. Tips will not exceed this.
  3. I have the final say in who gets what. If you'll be butthurt because I didn't tip you, then just move along. If I change my mind or get hit by a bus you ought to be happy with your contribution regardless of a tip.
  4. I reserve the right to change the terms of this giveaway at any time for any reason.
  5. I will update the thread if any terms change.
  6. Each user can probably only claim one tip.
Origin Story:
A couple of people have asked who I am that I can afford to be generous with bitcoin. Maybe my username makes it a bit mysterious. I got hooked on bitcoin the first time I saw a mention of it on April 19, 2011. I did some GPU mining and eventually sold or gave away most of my coins in the form of Casascius coins that same year. When BFL announced ASIC miners, I spent all of my remaining coins on BFL ASICS and more or less lost everything. I currently hold fewer coins than anyone would guess. Regardless of my personal experience I am a technophile and I believe bitcoin will revolutionize the world (in time). I realize I'm not going to be rich when this happens, but it's enough to be a part of it - and I want others to join me on this exciting ride. I chose the "secret_bitcoin_login" username two years ago because I was alienating a lot of my regular reddit friends by ranting on and on about bitcoin - setting up this account helped me to containerize my thoughts and talk about bitcoin as much as I wanted to. I believe in strong and positive community, so I spend a lot of my time sharing and encouraging others. The $50 I am sharing today isn't "free money", it's part of my earned wages that I used to buy bitcoin from coinbase to share with you all.
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[WTS] Exceptional 2011 one BTC Casascius coin! Bid: 5.0BTC, deadline Monday.

I have a special 1 BTC 2011 S1 Casascius coin for sale. Of all my coins, it is the one in the best condition.
I bought it in 2011, only ten days after it was minted: 15YZZSp4
It was a birthday present for my brother-in-law, a mathematician and numismatic. Now he wants to exchange it for 'real bitcoins' (which bears some irony..).
The coin was in its protective case all the time, today was the only time since 2011 the case was opened for the photos.
https://i.imgur.com/aGMcVyE.jpg
The coin is in mint state. You can see mirror-like reflections here. https://i.imgur.com/YhFkmsN.jpg
A good view of the surface. It was never cleaned, wiped, dusted or anything. https://i.imgur.com/L2jDjTH.jpg
It is completely scratch free. https://i.imgur.com/9XhWVzg.jpg
Hologram and printing in perfect condition. I must admit there's a spelling error, though. https://i.imgur.com/Ah4zisM.jpg
I planned to have it ANACS graded, as it would score one of the top grades. They never replied to my inquiry, and I won't risk several coins without confirmation of full-value insured shipping internationally.
I sell it for my brother-in-law, all is handled and decided by me bare the decision if the offered price is acceptable. Depending on who the buyer is, I will ship first or insist on payment first or an escrow. I can provide the exact date and name of who received the shipping from Mike, I got this coin the same day it arrived here.
This might turn out as an incredible investment. The until-now highest graded coin, a first-day with MS-67 grade, sold for 50 bitcoins. Buy this one here, send it to ANACS, and it's market value might go up anywhere from two to ten times.
Starting bid was 4.6 bitcoins.
The deadline for bidding is Monday 11:59pm UTC.
Current bid on Bitcointalk is 5.0 BTC.
Ente
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Selling some Physical Bitcoins & other cryptos! Fair Prices!

Verification and More Pictures
Pictures of Lealana Brass, I forgot to add some to the main album
Hey guys, I have a huge collection of physical Bitcoins & other physical cryptos, and I'm selling a few extras just to be able to buy 1 or more coins still on my "Wish List." I love all coins in general, but these are my favorite to collect followed by old world silver coinage & Norfed Liberty Dollars. I haven't sold much on Reddit yet, but I have a 100% positive feedback eBay account and also a lot of positive trust feedback on Bitcointalk.org.
eBay Account and BitcoinTalk profile (click on "trust" to see feedback)
Added some brief information about the coins in italics
For Sale:
MicroSoul's original coins were minted in the UK. Low mintage, but not sure off the top of my head what the numbers were. They released a couple series and some in .999 fine silver.
These coins came from Crypto Imperator in Spain. They have released these 10,000 Dogecoins made of brass- total mintage of 500, and did a limited run of only 25 coins in .999 fine silver containing it's face value of 100,000 Dogecoins, and are currently working on a run of only 10 .999 fine gold 1,000,000 Dogecoins. There are 5 left of 10, check here for more info. They also made 1 physical Bitcoin, all are very finely made beautiful coins. CI's coins are in no way related to the Silver bullion Dogecoin coins you may have seen.
bhcoins come from a pair in Argentina. They have released 4 different series in the past few years. These coins are from Series 3 and a mintage of only 200, with the first 20 reserved by the creators.
Cryptolator is based in Canada but minted at the esteemed Northwest Territorial Mint in Washington state. Their only design so far was the Unchained Series, minted in .999 fine silver, copper, Merlin Gold, antique copper, and antique brass. These copper coins listed are from a limited mintage of 500. The the coin is minted with proof-like quality and features the "Unchained Series" design, according to the maker: "The artist's design on the face of the coin represents us breaking free from the "chains that bind us" to the banks. In front of the bank, there is a pig and a dog sitting (the pig representing a banker & the dog a businessman), and the people running from the collapsing bank are considered as the sheep that are freeing themselves. This is a reference to the Pink Floyd album, Animals. The crying eye at the top of the bank is the Illuminati eye that is now closed and crying, the sad "pig" bankers who have lost from the liberating peer-to-peer money system that is Bitcoin."
Lealana is based in Hawaii but these coins were minted at the Northwest Territorial mint in Washington state. They are most known for their Lealana Litecoins, which were minted in silver and early followers after the trailblazing Casascius Bitcoins
These Lealana coins are the "Buyer Funded" model, and do not contain or come with any digital Bitcoin value, but any amount of Bitcoin can be loaded onto them for cold storage. They have a unique Bitcoin address assigned to them with private key inside. In this case the denomination or face value of 0.1 Bitcoin is just a suggestion; any amount of BTC can be sent to the coins
All coins are in mint condition (have never been handled) or the condition they were in coming from their maker. Not really in any hurry to sell these coins and don't need the money, so probably won't come down a ton on price, but can negotiate discounts if buying a few. I feel like these prices are pretty fair based off of current and past sales of similar coins.
Payment Info:
Will take payment in Bitcoin or PayPal Friends & Family (leave note line blank), and/or will accept PayPal G&S +3% from trusted members with positive feedback.
Shipping Info:
Free standard tracked shipping for US residents (this will be a small bubble mailer with First Class postage) or you can add $3 and I will bump you up to 2-Day Priority with a Small Flat Rate Box.
Willing to ship nearly anywhere in the world. I will always try to ship for as fair a price as possible, so if you're outside the US and want to buy, ask for a quote and I will see what options we have.
Will Ship Same Day Payment is Received 99% of the Time!
Any Questions Just Ask! Thanks
About Physical Bitcoins/other cryptos:
In 2011 a man named Mike Caldwell, an avid supporter of cryptography and Bitcoin, had an idea to mint physical coins that could represent digital Bitcoin value in a more conventional way, so that more people would be able to conceptualize and understand this new digital cryptocurrency technology. He came up with a way to mint a physical coin that actually contained the digital Bitcoin value it represented. On one side of the coin, he had a recessed groove stamped into it. He then securely and safely generated new Bitcoin address public & private keys, printing the private keys (needed to spend the funds) and placing them in the recessed groove. He then had complex & layered tamper-evident holograms created to cover the private key, which served 2 purposes: 1- these complex holograms made it harder to ever create a believable counterfeit of his coins, and 2- when the holograms were peeled back exposing the private key needed to spend the funds, it left a honeycomb pattern behind, which would instantly tell someone considering buying one on the 2nd market whether the coin still contained its valuable BTC funds, or if it had been spent. He called his coins Casascius physical Bitcoins, and they proved to be very popular, with several different denominations and Series released over a couple years' time. Today these coins are highly valued & sought after collectors' items. Many individuals, groups, and companies followed suit in the years that followed, designing and minting their own physical crypto coins. And that's where we are today with these coins I have for sale. :) I tried my best to explain how physical Bitcoins work in a limited space, but it is hard to fully summarize such a topic in so few words, so if you have any questions just ask!
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[WTS] Physical Dogecoins from Spain that contain their Face Value of 10,000 DOGE! Only 500 Minted! Plus Shibanu Dogecoins from the EU <500 Minted!

EDIT: 10/9/15 - I have updated the listing as 2 of the coins have been Sold. There are still 3 of the Crypto Imperator 10,000 DOGE coins left that are truly some beautiful coins, and each contain their Face Value/Denomination of 10,000 Dogecoins, yet any amount can be sent to its address and the coin used as a secure cold storage wallet. Their holograms are Visually Stunning!
Check my personal Limited Edition #95 CI 10,000 Dogecoin graded MS67 by ANACS in the photo album; it is a beautiful coin! It is the last 2 pictures; the very last pic is a duplicate and not the MS67.
Verification and More Pictures (Sorry the verification date is a few days old; I took the pictures and planned on listing them but it was a pretty hectic week)
Click for Full Size/Higher Resolution!
Hey guys, I have a huge collection of physical Bitcoins & other physical cryptos (such as these physical Dogecoins), and I'm selling a few extras. I love all coins in general, but these are my favorite to collect closely followed by old world silver coinage & Norfed Liberty Dollars.
Here is some of my feedback from Reddit sales
Here is my eBay profile with 100% Feedback
Here is my BitcoinTalk profile, where I have probably had the most dealings (Click on "Trust" to see Feedback)
(4 3 Available) Crypto Imperator 10,000 Dogecoins, and some background info. below:
Price per Crypto Imperator 10,000 Dogecoin -- $24
First coming out of Spain in 2014, the 10,000 Dogecoin Series were the first coins ever released by Crypto Imperator, now an established and respected manufacturer of physical crypto coins. With a very low mintage of only 500 coins, some excellent minting strikes, and beautifully complex security holograms, these coins were a hit from the start and quickly sold out. The first wallet-type physical Dogecoins ever minted, each coin contains its face value of 10,000 Dogecoins.
The zinc-alloy 10,000 Dogecoin was first released in June 2014 and is 39mm in diameter with a thickness of 3mm. The denomination on the face of the coin is "10,000 DOGE", and each coin was funded with that amount of Dogecoins by the creator. An appealing yet complex tamper-evident security hologram covers the private key to a unique Dogecoin address containing the coin's funds. The coin can be funded with any amount of extra Dogecoin by the buyer if desired, and can be used as a secure cold storage Dogecoin wallet. If you are ever ready to spend the funds contained within the coin, simply peel the hologram off of the coin to reveal the private key, which you can then import into your Dogecoin wallet of choice (however this will probably reduce the value of the coin as a collectible).
The obverse of the coin features a large centered portrait of a shiba inu dog, the dog breed famous for the "Doge" internet memes and the cryptocurrency Dogecoin. Next to the 'Shibe' is the word "Wow" written in the appropriately chosen font of 'Comic Sans'. Above the Doge portrait reads the slogan, "in shibes we trust", and on the bottom of the coin the denomination "10,000 DOGE" is stamped.
On the coin's reverse is the manufacturer's name "CryptoImperator" across the top and its year of minting "2014" along the bottom, the two sets of writing separated by a beautiful floral print that goes up both sides like a vine. In the center of the coin the tamper-evident security hologram is placed, covering up the coin's private key. Crypto Imperator's hologram is one of the best; there are so many different layers in it and each has a different look depending on which angle it is viewed from (which is why I included so many different pictures). Among the different features that can be seen in the hologram are the words "Crypto Imperator Original", a rocket flying to the moon with the words "To The Moon" present, and a Roman-type figure above 2 pillars and the words "Crypto Imperator". In the center of the hologram a small window is cutout, showing the first 8 characters, or 'First Bits', of the coin's Dogecoin address.
SOLD! (1 Available) Shibanu 50,000 Dogecoin (Un-Funded, DIY physical Dogecoin) and some background info. below:
Price for the Shibanu Dogecoin -- $24 SOLD!
The very first coin released in September 2015 by Shibanu (a new physical crypto coin maker), the Shibanu 50,000 Dogecoin coin is a DIY physical Dogecoin. Each purchase includes 1 coin in a protective flip, and 1 tamper-evident security hologram (for placing a private key and assembling the coin if you choose to do so). This coin has a beautiful gold-plated finish that just shines and pictures do not do it justice.
The Shibanu 50,000 DOGE coin was first released in early September 2015 and is 38mm in diameter with a thickness of 2.5mm, composed of Zinc Alloy with a beautiful and lustrous Gold-Plated finish. The recommended denomination on the face of the coin is 50,000 DOGE, but these coins are unfunded as they were originally sold, and any amount of Dogecoin can be loaded onto them if desired. They can be used as a secure cold storage Dogecoin wallet if you choose to print and place a private key and assemble the coin with one of the tamper-evident security holograms. Please note that these coins are sold unfunded, and do not contain or come with any actual digital Dogecoin value. If you are ever ready to spend the funds contained within the coin (if you've assembled & funded it), simply peel the hologram off of the coin to reveal the private key, which you can then import into your Dogecoin wallet of choice. (This concept can be confusing, just ask if you have any questions!)
The obverse of the coin features the word "SHIBANU" stamped across the top, representing its maker, with "50000 DOGE" (representing its suggested denomination, or face value) stamped across the bottom. A large "D" is stamped into the center, with a Shiba Inu dog leaning on the top, which represents the Doge meme. To the left and right of the large "D" are the phrases "Multus Moneta" and "Multus Fortuna", which roughly translate from Latin to English as "Much Money" and "Much Fortune". The large "D" in the center also has an X pattern behind it, and those surfaces are smooth and shiny strikes, while the background has a nice contrasting textured strike.
The reverse features the word "DOGECOIN" stamped across the top in an arched fashion with the year of issue "2015" stamped across the bottom. There is an indented circular area in the center on the reverse, where a private key can be placed and covered with the provided Shibanu tamper-evident security hologram, if you choose to assemble it and/or use it as a cold storage Dogecoin wallet. Shibanu's first holograms are very appealing on the eye with many different elements, layers, and colors, depending on which angle the coin is viewed from. They feature a repeating "SHIBANU" logo in the background with a dog's paw prints and a rocket heading to the moon in the center, which has a letter "D" and the maker's name "Shibanu". There is also a small window cut out in the center of the hologram so that the coin's "First Bits", or first 8 letters of a Dogecoin address, can be viewed to verify funds contained within.
These coins are DIY (Do It Yourself) physical Dogecoins and as such are sold as unfunded kits containing 1 coin and 1 tamper-evident security hologram. The positive aspect of buying a DIY physical Dogecoin is that you don't have to trust anyone with the private keys to your Dogecoin addresses (and Dogecoin funds). With your coin, your wallet's security will be in your own hands if you choose to generate, print, and place a private key within your coin. The tamper-evident security holograms are designed in a way that if somebody gained access to your physical coin and pulled off the hologram to access your private key, it would be obvious it had been compromised due to a visible honeycomb pattern left across the back of your coin. It is your choice if you want to print a private key and assemble your coin, or leave it un-assembled as it is sold. If you need help or have any questions about generating and printing private keys for your coin, just let us know and we will send you some helpful resources and instructions.
Payment Info.- Bitcoin and/or PayPal Friends & Family highly preferred at the moment (Please leave note/comment line blank if paying with PP F&F) but will also accept PP Goods & Services (add 3% to your total). Also, I almost forgot to add- I will also definitely accept Dogecoins as payment for these physical Dogecoins!
Shipping Info.- $2.25 for basic, tracked shipping in the US via First Class Parcel (no matter if you buy 1 or all 5 coins); this will be extremely well-packaged in a bubble mailer and comes with tracking and delivery confirmation for free. If you want Priority 2-Day (which includes $50 insurance), just add $5 to your total.
Always willing to ship international at cost, and can do so very affordably. PM if interested in buying overseas.
Also- I package very securely & discretely, and drop off each package by hand- so once it's shipped you own it unless you want to pay extra for insurance. I will say though I have never had a package lost out of hundreds (knock on wood..)
About Physical Bitcoins/other cryptos:
In 2011 a man named Mike Caldwell, an avid supporter of cryptography and Bitcoin, had an idea to mint physical coins that could represent digital Bitcoin value in a more conventional way, so that more people would be able to conceptualize and understand this new digital cryptocurrency technology. He came up with a way to mint a physical coin that actually contained the digital Bitcoin value it represented. On one side of the coin, he had a recessed groove stamped into it. He then securely and safely generated new Bitcoin address public & private keys, printing the private keys (needed to spend the funds) and placing them in the recessed groove. He then had complex & layered tamper-evident holograms created to cover the private key, which served 2 purposes: 1- these complex holograms made it harder to ever create a believable counterfeit of his coins, and 2- when the holograms were peeled back exposing the private key needed to spend the funds, it left a honeycomb pattern behind, which would instantly tell someone considering buying one on the 2nd market whether the coin still contained its valuable BTC funds, or if it had been spent. He called his coins Casascius physical Bitcoins, and they proved to be very popular, with several different denominations and Series released over a couple years' time. Today these coins are highly valued & sought after collectors' items. Many individuals, groups, and companies followed suit in the years that followed, designing and minting their own physical crypto coins. And that's where we are today with these coins I have for sale. :) I tried my best to explain how physical Bitcoins/Dogecoins/etc. work in a limited space, but it is hard to fully summarize such a topic in so few words, so if you have any questions just ask!
This can all sound so complicated and confusing to someone unfamiliar with Dogecoin/cryptocurrencies and how they work. If you have any questions about these coins or Dogecoin in general, please reach out to me via a message and I would be glad to help you out!
Thanks for Reading!
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[WTS] RavenBit Node Bronze physical Bitcoins - Comes w/ Airtite and Velvet Coin Pouch!

Hey everybody, I'm back with more physical Bitcoins to sell!
Today I have 8 RavenBit Node Bronze physical Bitcoins for sale. Each coin is in Brand New condition and comes with a Direct Fit Airtite and velvet RavenBit coin pouch!
These do not contain or come with any digital Bitcoin value, but any amount of Bitcoin can be loaded onto them for cold storage. They have a unique Bitcoin address assigned to them with private key inside. Each coin will come with its full Bitcoin address on a piece of paper so that you can send Bitcoin to your coin if you want.
Proof and More Pictures
Some of the pictures I had already re-sized and watermarked with my eBay username, so that's where "a_stackers_friend" came from on some of the pictures.
Asking $27 per coin, US tracked shipping included!
I'm selling these for higher in other places, you get it cheaper for a Reddit deal!
Payment Info:
Will take payment in Bitcoin or PayPal Friends & Family (leave note line blank), and/or will accept PayPal G&S +3% from trusted members with positive feedback.
Shipping Info:
Free standard tracked shipping for US residents! (this will be a small bubble mailer with First Class postage) or you can add $3 and I will bump you up to 2-Day Priority with a Small Flat Rate Box.
Willing to ship nearly anywhere in the world. I will always try to ship for as fair a price as possible, so if you're outside the US and want to buy, ask for a quote and I will see what options we have.
Will Ship Same Day Payment is Received 99% of the Time!
Any Questions Just Ask! Thanks
About Physical Bitcoins/other cryptos:
In 2011 a man named Mike Caldwell, an avid supporter of cryptography and Bitcoin, had an idea to mint physical coins that could represent digital Bitcoin value in a more conventional way, so that more people would be able to conceptualize and understand this new digital crypto currency technology. He came up with a way to mint a physical coin that actually contained the digital Bitcoin value it represented. On one side of the coin, he had a recessed groove stamped into it. He then securely generated new Bitcoin address public & private keys, printing the private keys (needed to spend the funds) and placing them in the recessed groove. He then had complex & layered tamper-evident holograms created to cover the private key, which served 2 purposes: 1- these complex holograms made it harder to ever create a believable counterfeit of his coins, and 2- when the holograms were peeled back exposing the private key needed to spend the funds, it left a honeycomb pattern behind, which would instantly tell someone considering buying one on the 2nd market whether the coin still contained its valuable BTC funds, or if it had been spent. He called his coins Casascius physical Bitcoins, and they proved to be very popular, with several different denominations and Series released over a couple years' time. Today these coins are highly valued & sought after collectors' items. Many individuals, groups, and companies followed suit in the years that followed, designing and minting their own physical crypto coins. And that's where we are today with these coins I have for sale. :) I tried my best to explain how physical Bitcoins work in a limited space, but it is hard to fully summarize such a topic in so few words, so if you have any questions just ask!
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Last call for Dragon*Con!

I'll be at Dragon*Con in around 14 hours. Is anyone else going, and wanting to meet up?
I plan to give away up to 3 BTC to people who show up to the EFF Bitcoin session (Saturday 1:30) who have no coin, but for the rest of us, how about we meet up for dinner? Maybe even host a Satoshi Square?
I'll pay the fiat, if you send me the BTC!
Edit: I also am bringing some original issue (with spelling error) Casascius coins, as well as the current generation, so feel free to mug me whenever.
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